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    Default Three years into non reving and I made a rookie mistake

    So me (D2R) and two friends as D3s are going to Tokyo for New Years Eve, and Hong Kong on January 3rd. We purchased tickets on Hong Kong express for the flight from Tokyo to Hong Kong. Well I made a classic rookie mistake and I hadnít checked with the flights from Hong Kong to Dallas looks like on January 6, the day we planned on coming home. Looks like there is zero seats left on the flight that day, with a little seats in the days before and it doesnít really open up till January 8th or 9th. I donít know what I was thinking! Especially considering the only option is Hong Kong to Dallas. I guess Iíve been used to flying to Tokyo where Iíve got quite a few options to get there and back so I just didnít think it would be an issue. 😯🙈


    Itís not a big deal for one of my friends or me because we have additional time off from work. My other friend thinks she has to get back by Monday but I think she has a little bit more flexibility with her job then she thinks. Whoops. Sheís looking into try to leave January 5 just to get an extra chance.


    Just in my attempt to formulate a plan B or C, I checked every other airport in Asia that American flies to and their flights back to the US that week and almost all of them are in the red or oversold. Most alarmingly a flight from Shanghai is oversold by 30 seats! Pretty crazy. Does anyone have any insight as to why the travel in that window from Asia to US is so popular?


    Anyway Iím not really worried I know weíre all going to make it work out and my friend thatís worried about her job definitely wonít face any serious repercussions from it. I just thought it would be funny to come share with you all what a rookie mistake I made!


    Side note: When I was on Americans regular website to check out the Destiination list on the map just in case they had added another flight out of Hong Kong without me realizing, the Dallas to Hong Kong route wasnít even showing up! Imagine the mini panic attack I had thinking that they might have canceled the route without me realizing! Hahaha.


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    Oh JayA talk about stuck between slim and none -we've all been there with our D3s. On the fifth you could have your D3 backup on the HKG/LAX flight - may...be if she's really lucky and keeps repeating the non-rev prayer.

    I'm guessing going back to NRT is out.
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    cx hkg/lax all oversold for the 5th,6th,7th and 8th

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayAlexandra View Post
    Does anyone have any insight as to why the travel in that window from Asia to US is so popular?
    Holiday season is always full

    I always make my flights, but I do not mess with the busy holiday loads. We travel in off peak times, when flights are wide open, and by wide open, I mean 100+. Therefore, in the event we have to sit in the back, at least we can have a whole row to ourselves. I will absolutely not be sitting in a middle seat in the back, ever!
    Another thing we do, is we never HAVE to be anywhere, so we can go ANYWHERE. We go where and when open planes go.

    Good luck!
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    Hey guys. Sorry I meant to come here and reply before but I was so busy with Christmas coming up and preparing to leave for this trip. I meant to thank you for Letting me know there was a Hong Kong to LA flight, that got added in the last few years I guess and I didn’t even know it existed! For some reason on American Airlines regular website Hong Kong isn’t showing up on the where we fly map from either Dallas or LA so I would’ve had no idea if you guys hadn’t pointed it out to me! Well currently I am sitting in a diner in Hong Kong, one of my friends is trying to get home on D3 tonight and the gate agent told her that immigration might ask her to buy a ticket home if she comes in and out. Do you guys know if this is a thing? My ex got stuck in Hong Kong on a D3 for one night and left and came back to the airport and didn’t experience any issues. Also the flight loads are so full we’re looking at potential he being stuck here a few more days.

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    So she didn’t make it, but I knew that was pretty much certain. The non-rev list out of Hong Kong the next few days are out of control. She said there were only a few people at her gate when the plane left though, yet at least 20 D1s got rolled to the next flight. Also to make things worse, she talked to a D1 at the gate that’s been trying to get out since Friday. I guess that lady’s family thought on tonight but she stayed. My friend told me that airport security escorted them out of the gate area and back through customs. The D1s that had been trying to get on all weekend just said that they hadn’t done that to her on the previous days. I’m starting to get stressed out for my friends. I should be fine with work and everything, this is only affecting my plans I had to visit my cousin in Sydney. And it might break my wallet a little more than I anticipated, but in the end I’ll be fine. I will say this is probably the most dire situation I’ve been stuck in. I’ve actually never had to stay anywhere overnight yet, lol. Oh well. I wouldn’t trade it for anything but I’m feeling bad for my little D3s.

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    [QUOTE=JayAlexandra;83067]Hey guys. Sorry I meant to come here and reply before but I was so busy with Christmas coming up and preparing to leave for this trip. I meant to thank you for Letting me know there was a Hong Kong to LA flight, that got added in the last few years I guess and I didnít even know it existed! For some reason on American Airlines regular website Hong Kong isnít showing up on the where we fly map from either Dallas or LA so I wouldíve had no idea if you guys hadnít pointed it out to me! Well currently I am sitting in a diner in Hong Kong, one of my friends is trying to get home on D3 tonight and the gate agent told her that immigration might ask her to buy a ticket home if she comes in and out. Do you guys know if this is a thing? My ex got stuck in Hong Kong on a D3 for one night and left and came back to the airport and didnít experience any issues. Also the flight loads are so full weíre looking at potential he being stuck here a few more days.[/QUO




    My rule when non-revving goes bad is to get out of the city I am in. For your friend who needs to return to work, if you can get her to one of the European cities AA flys from, you can change her ticket and get her home. The only one that looked good for a D3 was MAN. Below is a flight tomorrow to LHR which has a lot of availability. I'd send her to LHR. If you're in a situation where you can wait and aren't bleeding money, then enjoy HKG, but after a few days of lodging and meals, you start to approach the cost of a ticket. She'd be a thru so she wouldn't have to pay the LHR taxes. Just tell her to hold onto her boarding pass to show to LHR. Hope this helps! BTW, if you haven't used it, the ITA matrix by google is a great site to check flights to anywhere and it allows you to widen the range of destinations 2000 miles. I tried to include all of your options but there were too many images.

    One-way: Hong Kong to London, Mon, Jan 7
    ► Complete trips► Time bars
    PRICE ▼ AIRLINE ▼ DEPART ▼ ARRIVE ▼ DURATION ▼ FROM/TO ▼ STOPS ▼ ADVISORY ▼
    $800

    Cathay Pacific + others
    12:50 am 1:30 pm 20h 40m HKG to LHR DUB



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    Hey Wills. Thank you so so much for your reply! Now that Iím thinking of it Iíve definitely looked at that ITA back in the day before I non reved. So youíre saying she would buy a ticket to LHR and then fly AA non rev back home? Well as I was writing this post my friend thatís stressed out about work (and didnít get on the first try out to LAX tonight) just bought a ticket on United from HKG-ORD-DEN. Honestly she has the money to do it, while itís unexpected and a bit of a setback she had the cash on hand and her credit cards are mostly clear, so sheíll be fine. Also she got premium econ on the way over here so all things considered she saved a lot on that experience. Also Iím just glad the stress of figuring things out for her is off my mind. Now I just have to worry about my other D3 that is trying to get back to PHX. And me, since things are looking rough for D1s out of here (but I wouldnít use a D1 til my D3 is gone anyway). Also I have another week off and a visa to mainland China with a friend that teaches English in Guangzhou, as well as my friend that teaches in Tokyo. So I could always go stay with either of them if Iím tight on cash (also flights out of Tokyo back to US are still rough but looking slightly better than this HK mess).

    Well, Iím headed off to bed but I will certainly be back with an update lol. Iíll be repeating the non rev prayer tonight in my dreams and tomorrow too! Thank heavens for this board haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayAlexandra View Post
    Hey guys. Sorry I meant to come here and reply before but I was so busy with Christmas coming up and preparing to leave for this trip. I meant to thank you for Letting me know there was a Hong Kong to LA flight, that got added in the last few years I guess and I didnít even know it existed! For some reason on American Airlines regular website Hong Kong isnít showing up on the where we fly map from either Dallas or LA so I wouldíve had no idea if you guys hadnít pointed it out to me! Well currently I am sitting in a diner in Hong Kong, one of my friends is trying to get home on D3 tonight and the gate agent told her that immigration might ask her to buy a ticket home if she comes in and out. Do you guys know if this is a thing? My ex got stuck in Hong Kong on a D3 for one night and left and came back to the airport and didnít experience any issues. Also the flight loads are so full weíre looking at potential he being stuck here a few more days.
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    Yeah I already knew it had potential to be like this, and I did warn my friends but they wanted to go through with it anyway since we had already purchased airfare on Hong Kong express from Tokyo to HK. They had never been in this situation before so swallowing the airfare on that wasnít appealing to them. Usually Iíve been able to get myself out on a D1 also so I wasnít imagining how bad it could get either. Iím not really crying about it over here, I know Iíll be fine in the end. I mostly came to update my post because my friend was freaked out about immigration escorting her back through customs. That probably also kind of drove her to buy the airfare, but she also takes her work really seriously and while they probably wouldíve given her leeway on it and she didnít even want to ask. Now itís just me and my other D at three and weíre going to make moves in the next two days and maybe fly back to Narita. Those flights are overbooked to but thereís a lot less non-revs an a lot more options in on Monday thereís a lot of seats open to Las Vegas.

    Everything is a learning experience in this definitely is another one!

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