DL out of CDG advice also needed

Looking at the flights out of CDG on the 27th and I can see what you mean Mrs767er.....the oversold situation is getting worse to ATL now -31 and -21. Will the oversold YC will just keep rolling over to the next flight in YC and not affect C? If that is the case then NRSAs do have a chance so long as the number of STBY desiring seats not exceed the C availability. Now, another possibility is that the oversold seat situation will firm up prior to the flight departure and actually not be such a grim picture. I hope my sense of logic and past experience from working domestic flights also applies for international flights......They haven't even left yet but their trip will be a "living nightmare" for me until they make it home....gee...I don't even get to experience their "fun" moments!!! I will pass on the information on hotels by the airport suggested by forum members just in case they get bumped.

Hello Love!
As it stands now--if they dopn't don't get on the first one, they probably will have to tuck in their tails for the day. Now--if you can convince them to look at AMS as an alternative? Not too shabby today. Once the first one breaks down, there's no going on with overbooking--they'll move any rev pax to the 9:20 if they get there early. they can't take Frog Air, right?
If they live close by, bring them over, make them sit and look at the numbers with you. Like I said to Caroljane--the seats are what they are and there are none to be had once they're gone. maybe your riders want to try another country?? Budapest is outstanding funand Prague is cheap and gorgeous! It's the Paris of Eastern Europe! Of course, I didn't czech the seats yet...I have a great apt bdlg to recommend in Prague

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Hello Love!
As it stands now--if they dopn't don't get on the first one, they probably will have to tuck in their tails for the day. Now--if you can convince them to look at AMS as an alternative? Not too shabby today. Once the first one breaks down, there's no going on with overbooking--they'll move any rev pax to the 9:20 if they get there early. they can't take Frog Air, right?
If they live close by, bring them over, make them sit and look at the numbers with you. Like I said to Caroljane--the seats are what they are and there are none to be had once they're gone. maybe your riders want to try another country?? Budapest is outstanding funand Prague is cheap and gorgeous! It's the Paris of Eastern Europe! Of course, I didn't czech the seats yet...I have a great apt bdlg to recommend in Prague[/b]

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Well....I guess I'll be a nervous wreck for the rest of the month. No turning back now....I live in Honolulu and they are in SFO so we have been hashing it out on the phone. The numbers have been reviewed...they are going to take a chance with CVG and bypass the ATL flight "dramas". Tell me again, they don't UPG YC to C in an oversold situation do they? Thanks so much...you have been a great help and this forum has been a wonderful outlet for my buddy pass blues!

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Well....I guess I'll be a nervous wreck for the rest of the month. No turning back now....I live in Honolulu and they are in SFO so we have been hashing it out on the phone. The numbers have been reviewed...they are going to take a chance with CVG and bypass the ATL flight "dramas". Tell me again, they don't UPG YC to C in an oversold situation do they? Thanks so much...you have been a great help and this forum has been a wonderful outlet for my buddy pass blues![/b]

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Gate can't leave any rev pax and put NRSA on instead, period. So they can upgrade as needed to claar rev pax--usually starting with fullfare/medallion.

ATL can be a major drama because of last minute listings.--that's a big base for nonrevs!
Good luck and keep us posted!

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They haven't even left yet but their trip will be a "living nightmare" for me until they make it home....gee...I don't even get to experience their "fun" moments!!![/b]

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Well we can't have this. Lovetofly I'm going to give you my handy dandy tried and true tips for surviving family and friends pass travel.
To begin, you have to get yourself in the right frame of mind.
*think George C. Scott as General Patton marshalling his troops*
Remember rookie pass travelers are by nature a very optimstic bunch (the poor dears :mellow: ) and it's your job to prepare these former revenue pax for travel in this strange new world. You want your rookies ready for bear. You want them so psyched, that if asked to split up, hold for a later flight or told they will be routing through two hubs, they will consider it initiation in the non-rev travel club. Go Team!

*think Clint Eastwood in The Outlaw Josey Wales*
Ten days before travel
Because their flights are dicey--Tell your rookies that they will be bumped, not probably bumped, will be bumped and they should expect to spend one day coming/going in the airport. While they're reeling from that news tell them they'll probably be rolled over coming home and should be ready to stay at a hotel overnight. (I usually quote 2 to 1 odds and tell them some horror story about a D3 that got stuck in DFW for a week--makes my rookies real attentive ;) Now lay it on thick, remember this is for their, and your, mental health. Remind them about the extra clothes in the carry-on and having to drag their over-stuffed suitcase all over creation. Explain rollover, how to check to see if they are listed and what to do it they are not.
If you think your rookies can handle it, give them back-ups on other carriers. ( I don't do this for my rookies- as the train at DFW was seen as an insurmountable obstable) ;)
At any rate explain airline partners/alliances (especially if they are traveling overseas) and give them a time limit at the airport. Tell them if they are still stuck after ...days (I give mine 2 days) they are to give you a call and you will *think Laurence Fishburne in Mission Impossible-3*
give them new routing instructions.

*think your mom on your first day of school* ;)
Two days before travel review eveything again, especially non-rev travel rules and airport hotel numbers. Most importantly issue any RED FLAG warnings! Trust me, these last minute warnings may be the best thing you can do for your mental health.
Now wish everybody well, suggest they bring you back a great souvenir and remind your rookies that nonrevs don't breathe easy until "wheels up".

BTW, my overseas rookies were flying LAX/DFW/FCO. After two days in DFW, they decided NYC was exotic enough.

Edited to add vital stuff!

Keep'em flying

Mahalo Migflanker for the advice and chuckles! :D It's seven days prior to their departure and I sit at home on this Columbus day holiday checking and rechecking the return loads out of CDG....the good news is that their flights are not booked yet so I can still put in a pitch for them get out of Paris and leave out of AMS instead (thanks to mrs767er, I passed on the Thalys website so they can check schedules and fares). I have given them the "oversold horror story" for buddy pass riders (the international version!)....especially with numbers like -31 and -21...they would be lucky if they made it out 2 days later and if not, the horror story starts all over again! There are four of them so I also posed the question about having to split up if seats were not available for everyone????? Who will be left behind in Paris? I think I hit a "nerve"!!!
Changing the subject, they are flying out on the 15th SFO-LGW....Looks good out of JFK...anyone has any "warnings" that I need to keep in mind for JFK....ATL flights are still filling up.

I'm still laughing about migflanker's suggestions and horror stories for his nonrevs.
Now I'm about to fall apart and roll on the floor --your party is 4 nrsa's?? arghh--you poor thing--hang in there, you are some friend to tkae on the chore of even getting them on seat request!--if they just get somewhere overseas...be happy. did I mention the websites for LCC's? myair.com ryanair.com skyeurope.com etc?
this is the continuing saga of lovetofly's nonrevs--stay tuned for the next chapter!

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"Laughter doeth good like a medicine".

Thanks for keeping us laughing Mig.

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I'm still laughing about migflanker's suggestions and horror stories for his nonrevs.
Now I'm about to fall apart and roll on the floor --your party is 4 nrsa's?? arghh--you poor thing--hang in there, you are some friend to tkae on the chore of even getting them on seat request!--if they just get somewhere overseas...be happy. did I mention the websites for LCC's? myair.com ryanair.com skyeurope.com etc?
this is the continuing saga of lovetofly's nonrevs--stay tuned for the next chapter![/b]

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Now you know why I'm "pulling my hair out"!!!!!! Only for my sisters (plus spouses) will I endure this agony. What's funny is that they asked if I could take a couple of days off and join them...did something not "sink in".....oversold...no seats...no way out of HE** (oh excuse me, I meant CDG)!
It's fun to laugh with all of you regarding this personal drama!

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What's funny is that they asked if I could take a couple of days off and join them...did something not "sink in".....oversold...no seats...no way out of HE** (oh excuse me, I meant CDG)!
It's fun to laugh with all of you regarding this personal drama![/b]

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Keep'em flying