But this is not over. We are ASSUMING that we are NORTH of the equator and POLARIS is visible, but what if we are somewhere SOUTH of the equator. How do we determine our latitude then? I was hoping our friend DOWN UNDER could shed some light here. And, we do need to know our time don't we? We don't know what time it is. Lets say we do have a watch in the party. How do we determine TIME??? Pretty much food for thought. The next time you talk about going to 5th and sax in NYC shopping, kind of makes you wonder how you got there in the first place. A pilot on a plane with the coordinances punched into a computer, not to be taken lightly. Be glad you got there instead of somewhere out in the Atlantic ocean.