American Airlines NOT Listing First Class for Non-Revs?

**Morpho** · 25-Oct-2016, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by isppilot

Not exactly. True first class still remains an option on the 777-300 and A321 transcon. On 2 class aircraft, the front cabin is called First Class when flying domestic and business class when flying international. The NRTP can be confusing because it seems to always display 3 classes of service even though in reality, most aircraft don't have 3 classes.

Yeah - that's what I'm confused about - the NRTP shows three classes on some flights (from London) and only two classes on others. On the flight I just took from LHR to JFK, there were originally two classes listed and then they shifted it to 3 classes and then when I got to the airport they had shifted it back to 2 classes. And it seems that the three class listing has disappeared from most of the listings on jetnet. I'm just a registered companion not the employee so I don't really understand what's going on.

**isppilot** · 25-Oct-2016, 11:34 PM

JFK-LHR is a confusing one because they use the 777-200 and 777-300 on this route. All 777-300 are 3 class (F/J/Y) while the 777-200 have either J & Y if they have been converted or F/J/Y if they have not been converted. AA is in the process of converting the 777-200 to J & Y only. In the past when the 777-200 was 3 class. there were usually pretty good odds of getting F as a nonrev but at a cost, especially departing LHR. The configuration was 16 F/37 J/194 Y. Haven't tried to nonrev to LHR on the -300 or converted -200 but with only 8 seats in F on the -300, the odds aren't so great anymore. Aircraft subs happen a lot so if they were planning on using a 3 class 777-200 then change to a 2 class, you're screwed. Sometimes, aircraft subs are beneficial. Once flying from HNL-SFO, I was able to get F because they used a 767-300 instead of the scheduled 757.

**Morpho** · 26-Oct-2016, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by isppilot

JFK-LHR is a confusing one because they use the 777-200 and 777-300 on this route. All 777-300 are 3 class (F/J/Y) while the 777-200 have either J & Y if they have been converted or F/J/Y if they have not been converted. AA is in the process of converting the 777-200 to J & Y only. In the past when the 777-200 was 3 class. there were usually pretty good odds of getting F as a nonrev but at a cost, especially departing LHR. The configuration was 16 F/37 J/194 Y. Haven't tried to nonrev to LHR on the -300 or converted -200 but with only 8 seats in F on the -300, the odds aren't so great anymore. Aircraft subs happen a lot so if they were planning on using a 3 class 777-200 then change to a 2 class, you're screwed. Sometimes, aircraft subs are beneficial. Once flying from HNL-SFO, I was able to get F because they used a 767-300 instead of the scheduled 757.

Thanks so much - that explains what happened in London the other day. I guess I just have to hope I get on business from now on. It's not a big deal flying to NYC from Europe because it's usually a day flight, but going back to Europe I need to be able to sleep as they are generally overnight flights. Will keep my fingers crossed. Also Tokyo, Beijing, etc., are too long to endure coach.

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