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    Ok, I couldn't get a bite on my last topic regarding CREME DE LA CREME traveling so I thought I would try a different angle. I was reading NONREV1 blog and I liked the way he mentioned that we in this industry are leaders in travel and the "GO TO" people about travel and creme de la creme. I have to say, though there is truth to this statement, I would like to give my input from what I have seen in my years as an airline employee nonrever.

    For starters, working for the airlines and traveling is great. It has turned me on to many a place I never been before. To be able to visit a place at the drop of a dime, stay a few days, see some interesting places is second to none. We sure do alot of this kind of adventure. It's the best. That is, if you are going to go to your destination as a nonrever, see the sights, stay in nice hotels, lock in on some tours. Only drawback is you must get home so you can get back to work and take care of buisness by paying up the bills and checking up on your home, so most trips are usually no longer than a few days. I give us "AIRLINE NON REV TRAVELLERS" a respectful 2.0 rating in Creme de la Creme travel.

    Religious people such as FRIARS and BLACK ROBE types. Those missionaires get way up in there in the foreign countries. They get way inside spots that nobody knows about. Places like DARIEN PANAMA where indigenous people walk around naked in the jungle, where to get to your destination, you have to take boats, then set up a church and try to convert souls into Christianity. They live in those places for years to do the Lord's Work. No doubt about it. These are CREME DE LA CREME travellers for certain. They know all about the country and the areas they live. These are the guys you want to go to for "INTELLIGENCE" gathering prior to invading a country. These men of religion take the cake in travel bar none. Chances are, they speak the lingo of their surroundings, they rough it, sometimes sleeping underneath the stars, and some have even been known to subdue a BOA CONSTRICTOR in hand to hand combat. Creme de la Creme rating. 5 STARS.

    I have always thought that the second highest travel honors goes to the long term BACKPACKER. These are the ones that go someplace and virtualy hangs out for months at a particular country visiting various areas of the country. They are usually young Europeans that have alot of time in their hands, no real jobs back home, are in between school and work, or just feel like its their mission to see the world before they hunker down and get jobs. They linger around, ride in public transportation, no sweet hotel stays or top of the line food for they are in country for months at a whack criss crossing the country usually on low budgets. Some will go on and visit other countries but some will stay and really get to know the place inside and out, which is what I think is the best way to know a place. I give them a Creme de la Creme rating of a FOUR STARS.

    MILITARY. GOVERNMENT ISSUES. Great way to travel. Get stationed in Japan, Germany and see Europe and Asia. Alot of these places you can stay on base for a few dollars if you stay in the Bachelors quarters. Most bases have hotels for military at great rates. Most military people get stationed in a place for about three years or more, so one can really get to know a different country, even learn the language while stationed there. Military is high in my list of honorable creme de la creme traveller. Alot of times military goes on deployments to other countries for up to six months at a time to places like Portugal, Bermuda, Spain, Okinawa, Italy, Azores and many other places. Sometimes they will do excercises in places like Honduras, Cuba and Phiilippines. For the combat hearted, there is always a tour in Iraq, and Afghanistan for now. Military travels by land sea and air. Creme de la Creme rating. 3.0 stars

    Buisness people. Especially the self employed. Many buisness men travel continously. Many corporations send their employees for training in exotic cities with room and board paid for, while GETTING PAID. I won't consider this high creme de la creme since this is WORK ORIENTATED most of the trip. But if you have a little spare time after your buisness dealings, you can enjoy the local surroundings while taking a dip in your hotel heated whirlpool on company tab. Not a bad way to travell. This can give you an idea if you ever want to take a vacation to that place one day with family members or just return someday by yourself if you liked it. I give them a 1.0 star rating respectively as Creme de la Creme travellers.

    Of special note. MERCHANT MARINES. This is a poor way to see the world. Most Merchant Marines I have known stayed and worked on ship because their main mission was to save up as much money as possible so that when their 4 months was up, they would go home on rotation thus travel was always a second nature thing. Most were in it for the money, not the travel. Their pay construction was designed for putting in the time so if they took a day on the beach, they would miss out on double time incentives. Poor way to see the world. Not a CREME THE LA CREME traveller mention here. Sometimes I equated them to flight attendants because whenever I was coming back from a trip by nonreving such as VILLAHERMOSA, I would tell the flight attendant that I went to PALENQUE which they had no time to do. They were just doing a turn and the plane didn't even RON there. I would tell them how I climbed the pyramids and they only saw the inside of a hotel if that.





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    Let me ask you this. How many stars do you give to the typical American traveler. These are the ones that we service in the airline business. I would say the typical American traveler would do the following:

    1. Fly somewhere for a senior (high school) trip.
    2. Fly to Mexico for their honeymoon.
    3. Fly the kids to Disneyland or Disney World 2 or 3 times in a childhood.
    4. Fly back home to a funeral 2 or 3 times in their adult life.

    I would say most people I encounter fall into this category.

    As far as how many stars you gave us nonrevs I could agree but I think 2 1/2 stars and in some cases 3 stars might be more appropriate. My reasons would be we definitely don't have the experience in any single destination like a backpacker might get but, in some ways we are more well rounded. One weekend we will be in South America and the next we could be in Japan. The typical American traveler will look like a tourist wherever they go. Even in their own country. Most nonrevs pack light and network with other travelers and nonrevs and seem to fit into the landscape better. It might just be the confidence thing. You get stuck in so many different places and situations as a nonrev nothing seems to phase us. We just figure it out. The typical traveler always looks like it is their first time anywhere.

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    I liked your post, it is great.

    My son is an International Exchange Student from Syracuse University this year at the American University in Cairo. He was a backpacker this summer in between his semesters.
    Wow is all I can say. I was impressed with his travels as he jumped on busses, motorcycles, boats and so forth to get around the Middle East. He went to Syria, Beruit, Jordan and many, many cities in between. He made amazing friends along the way.
    He is quite the savy 21 year old traveller.

    I am happy to take my 2.0 rating. I have had the opportunity to see so many cities, be part of many events (Balloonfest in ABQ, MardiGras on Fat Tuesday in NO, to name a few).

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    I take the term "creme de la creme" traveler to mean a savvy, experienced veteran traveler; in other words, someone that knows airport codes.
    The traveler that knows not only is the museum free on Monday, but that the museum's restaurant offers a breaktaking view and serves the best cheesecake in town.
    My family and friends consider me the "go to" person for travel questions. Ten years ago the most frequent question I got was, "can I get a pass?", now it's "can you book my trip for me?", followed by, "you know all that travel stuff". Oh yeah, I know all that picayune travel stuff like, "oceanfront hotel" doesn't necessarily mean the hotel has beach access, that hotel resort fees aren't always quoted in the rate and that ORD is Chicago not Orlando. (Oh yeah, some in my crew are the ones i32reds is talking about.) My aunt loves to tell the story of the VIP lounge with great food and great seats - how did she get in? some "savvy" traveler told her to flash her husband's AMEX card.
    Keep'em Flying

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    I really enjoyed the hits on this posting and all of your inputs. Allow me to say that ANY STAR RATING in the CREME DE LA CREME ranks of travellers is a tremendouz feat in itself. I see IMONRED's view that I should have ranked us nonrevers at least a 2.5 or 3, and who's to say we shouldn't be? Imonred brings out some great points that we do travel UNPHASED and things like going through security in the airports, we know to take our shoes off before we are told. And most travellers do look like first time travellers while we nonrevers cover BUCU places at the drop of a dime. I have to agree that IN AS FAR AS travel by air to get to and from a destination, and cover more ground, we nonrevers do it best, but now we must define a TRAVELLER.

    As you all saw, I layed more emphasis to a traveller not based soley on flying around to get to and from various destinations. I gave more emphasis on what a traveller is to someone that spent more time IN COUNTRY over a LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. But that was just my input, which is why I posted this to see your views on what you think a TRAVELLER really is.

    Yes GIGI. I have seen backpackers everywhere I go. They get around good and they cover lots of ground. They seem to cover alot with minimul funds with budget on their minds. They would sleep in the woods or jungle to save a few more pesos for beer. You can see these long haired BOHEMIAN types with unshaven faces and unmanicured finger nails, wrinkled up clothing alcohol smelling breaths and care free looks on their faces riding along cheap public buses and staying in barracks type hostels so that they can stretch their dollars out and be able to hang out in country longer and drink more beer.

    To the typical American traveller. I would have to give the American MOTORIST the highest star. Members of AAA that live in their cars or camping RV's criss crossing the nation and staying in great places like Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone NP. These CREME DE LA CREME travellers are first on MY LIST of great American travellers. And they don't give a dam about fuel cost either because they save with AAA discounts. 5 stars to them. (And here you thought it was going to be for an American FLYING instead of driving.)

    On flights, I'll give the American corporate traveller a pretty good ranking on U.S. flights. They seem to fill the plane up most especially in BUISNESS CLASS seats with their laptop computers and shiney shoes. They travel around with a small suit case and lap top. I give these types with clean shaven faces and neat haircuts and suits a respectful 4 stars. You may throw in the military travelling on orders too. Same look only younger and more gung ho, not as wealthy.

    The NONREVER is a small elite portion. You can see these "PARASITES OF THE SKIES" sucking up to an empty seat and making sure no plane flies UNFILLED while trying to stay COVERT about their nonrev status. I've seen them up there from First Class to Buisness Class to the coach, back up to buisness first and then riding the Cockpit jumpseat to dam near riding with the flight attendants in their jumpseats. I wish to allocate them a star here but I think I'll keep that "COVERT" so as not to arouse the paying pax.

    The rest of the flying public I may have to agree with IMONRED. Probably family members visiting family, Disney World travellers and death in the family travellers, Honeymooners. It's hard to rank them in the "TRAVELLER CREME DE LA CREME" since they are so many and so widespread but they get a noteworthy respect for being usually the typical honest American trying to be the "SQUIRREL TRYING TO GET A NUT" and making a huge loud dent in the TRAVEL world. You may include these folks along with KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL a direct threat to NON REVENUE PAX like us trying to get a seat to LAS VEGAS so we can gamble and eat big buffets at MGM GRAND. Ok, I'll give them a star which is no small feat in CREME DE LA CREME rankings.



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    Hi Palms,

    What a great thought-provoking thread! I think that my initial blog was based more on the travel experience itself while you rated more on the depth of destination experience. That's a good take on it. I liked your observations on missionaries and backpackers. While the missionaries go the deepest into a destination to know and understand the culture, they are usually focused on that one region, often their entire lives, so they don't travel much to other places. I love the backpacker style of travel and really enjoy staying in youth hostels, taking public transportation and finding the local dives and hang-outs. I've never been able to do it for an extended time. I guess my dream would be a whole month backpacking around Europe. That's not happening for me in the foreseeable future.

    Thinking about the missionaries and the backpackers reminded me of a minister whose books I read years ago. He started a night club on sunset strip in the 60s to minister to the youth in the area. He went around with long hair and sandals passing out psychedelic new testament bibles. Then he felt that God was calling him to take the big cross down off the wall of the night club and carry it across the US. Since then he's carried it in every nation of the world - a life sized one, and on foot!

    My all time number one Creme de la Creme Travel award for an individual traveler goes to Arthur Blessitt:

    (from his website...)

    A world traveler, world record holder, and a follower of Jesus Christ has accomplished the following with the help of God and the love he has for all the people of the world.

    * Walked around the world since Christmas Day, December 25, 1969 carrying a 12 foot cross for Jesus.
    * Now 38,102 miles (61,319 k.m.).
    * 315 countries, Island Groups and Territories.
    * Walked on all seven Continents including Antarctica.
    * Been through 52 countries at war.
    * Arrested or jailed 24 times (Not for Crimes)
    * Listed in the Guinness World Records for the 'World's longest walk'.
    * Arthur says, "I Love God, I love people, I try to keep it simple".
    * Of the journey he says, "Jesus did it, I give Him all the glory".
    * He has traveled constantly with his wife, Denise, since their marriage in 1990.

    A couple of other interesting points I remembered from his books... the place he's been jailed the most for carrying the cross is the U.S. and in all the times he's sought a place to stay or put the cross, he's been turned down multiple times by churches but never by a bar or night club.

    He's got a website at http://www.blessitt.com/
    Chris Bagley (Nonrev Network Founder)

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    Very interesting story. I suppose the creme de la creme traveller should be viewed more for the individual than say an organization or company he travels for or works for. We know that in our buisness, some people never travel. I know people that work for the airlines for more than 20 years and don't ever get on a plane. They are scared to fly or just don't care for travel. On the other hand, the airlines can be a great tool for those that embrace travel. True your take on the missionary that he basically hangs out in one area, but then again, I'm sure that depends on the individual. Some of these guys probably have travelled on their off time and got the travel bug too. I know these FRIARS were the first ones into the NEW MEXICO along with the SPANISH to convert Indian souls into Christianity. These guys ended up staying in villages while the Spanish soldiers eventually slipped back into Mexico after their expeditions. They basically gave their lives in savage Apache territory to convert them. They were everywhere. You got to hand it to those "Holy Rollers". You can see the same scenario across the Pacific ocean in lots of islands and places like Papua New Guinea and Indonesia. You will find a missionary man in the least likely of places you would ever think of finding a white man. But, like you, I never really had the time to do the backpacking thing the way I would like to. For months at a time. Creme de la creme travellers I suppose are people that really enjoy travelling and getting really absorbed in the surroundings of their newfound enviroment. We nonrevers probably do it more comfortably and cheaper with the hotel stays and airline discounts and free travel.

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    I guess what really got me started in this thread is I know a few nonrev types that think they are great travellers. They may have been to alot of places as a nonrev, but they never really spent time overseas like LIVED THERE. So pardon my elite stand alone attitude on this. Don't mean to sound like I have a chip on my shoulder but to me, non reving it is not enough for me to consider you a world traveller. Nonrevs are more of a world VACATIONER moresoe than a world TRAVELLER. Now this I can agree with. Non revs are CREME DE LA CREME VACATIONERS. Everyone satisfied on this angle?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (29Palms @ Aug 23 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    but they never really spent time overseas like LIVED THERE.[/b]
    LIVED THERE? Are we talking traveling or living somewhere??!!! Now you have me confused!!

    I am just happy to get out of town and go somewhere new to explore every once in awhile. I am thrilled if I need a gift I can just hop on a plane to MDW and go shopping on the Magnificent Mile.
    After all these years I still have that thrill when I walk down the jetway and think, "wow, this is too cool that I get to do this".

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (29Palms @ Aug 23 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Non revs are CREME DE LA CREME VACATIONERS[/b]
    I am happy with whatever you want to call me

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    I&#39;ll call you LUCKY because, I know I am too in this buisness of travel. But yes. You hit it on the nose. "I am just happy to EXPLORE". Great way to put it. And like you, that is EXACTLY what I like to do. Explore new places. This is the BEST WAY, BAR NONE to EXPLORE new worlds and new civilizations. Even if it&#39;s for a moment.

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