Thread: DL NW Travel Question

you list with the airline that's operating the flight
You got the other details correct

This is kind of a grey area, however, I've been on cross-fleeted flights, so I've learned how it works.

It basically depends on the hub from which/to which the flight goes. A NW 747 going HNL-ATL as DL802 is considered a DL flight. In this instance, you list with DL and are upgraded for free, but behind DL employees even though it's a NW A/C. A DL 767 going from SEA-AMS as NWXXX is considered a NW flight. Listing would be made with NW, NW employees will be upgraded for a fee, and DL employees CANNOT upgrade, even though it's a DL A/C. Now if that exact same A/C turns around in AMS and heads to JFK, it will be operating a DL flight with DL rules.

It comes down to the hub, if the flight is headed to DTW, its a NW FLIGHT regardless of what the captains ID says. If the flight is headed to ATL, it's a DL flight.

Hope that helps.

I don't believe that is correct--the DL ID my husband carries does not allow him to fly any NW aircraft. Code share is not the same in this instance. If the flight is operated by NW it follows NW rules until June 23. There is one particular 75 flight that operates CVG/DTW/JFK daily (at least it did last few months) and it is DL operated and follows all DL procedures whether it departs CVG or DTW. It does not change status in DTW.

Yeah, I'm not so sure about that either, ColoAvs19... when looking at RADAR (NW's employee site) I can look up loads for ATL-HNL (747) but not MSP-CDG (Delta flight, guessing 767). If you can look up the aircraft, I think that's the best indicator of who to list for and everything (the only common one is the 757). That could be different on the regional carriers... I see that Mesaba has a few new flights with Delta-marked planes, namely the Saabs (anyone fly in one of them before? They're so horrible it's fun )

That is interesting about Radar. In Pars, you can look up loads for the MSP-CDG flight but not for the ATL-HNL flight.

I heard that we are in for a not so good change. Right now we get the exact same benefits as our parent-NW. The rumor is that we will just get the same benefits as a DL connection carrier, like Skywest. I don't know how that is but they say it is not as good as we have it now.
I also heard there is an anuual fee for DL nonrev? That bites if true!

$50 per year for all your pass riders/companion/buddies

It's easy to get your buddy pass people to cover it as a thank-you for sharing your privileges

Re: listing ---If you can list on DL site that's DL flight
If you can list on NW, it's NW flight
Until the systems merge for June, that's the way it is. I can't list for common carriers unless the flight belongs to DL--if not I have to list on NW

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That is interesting about Radar. In Pars, you can look up loads for the MSP-CDG flight but not for the ATL-HNL flight.

I heard that we are in for a not so good change. Right now we get the exact same benefits as our parent-NW. The rumor is that we will just get the same benefits as a DL connection carrier, like Skywest. I don&#39;t know how that is but they say it is not as good as we have it now.
I also heard there is an anuual fee for DL nonrev? That bites if true![/b]

Yeah, $50, like mrs767er said. However, we also get F whenever available, so it&#39;s well worth it, I&#39;d say, especially since it&#39;s $10 more than F 1-way. Plus, as I recall, taxes are somehow cheaper with DL&#39;s policy on international flights.

Here&#39;s a PDF with a really helpful comparison that was on DLNet... covers pretty much all bases: http://www.2shared.com/file/5571177/f36653...ntDownload.html

I think the one thing that blew me away about the prev NW policy was that NW execs had a higher priority than other employees when it came to personal travel! I think there had to be a balance of bennies and both mainline groups got good bennies and some of the conx got less than that (being polite with the wording...)

I&#39;ve already said what I must about the new pass policy.

As far as the DL/NW crossfleeting: First, there are codeshares, and there is crossfleeting. Code share would be like DL602/NW7856 ATL-DEN. This would be a DL flight on DL metal from ATL. When in comes to DL hub to NW hub, that could be confusing, but there is no crossfleeting between hubs. That would go by A/C type. CVG-DTW-JFK would be a DL flight from a DL hub CVG-DTW, and a DL flight to a DL hub DTW-JFK. There are flights like ATL-BWI-SLC(making that flight up, but flights do go from a hub, run through an outstation, and continue onto another hub)

Now, I&#39;m sure RADAR/DLnet have some trigger that shows up with what they think are their own flights, I&#39;m sure it&#39;s a little glitch.

It doesn&#39;t matter what DLnet says, it matters what the res computer at the gate says, and DL flights from outstations to DL hubs on NW aircraft are handled in DLmatic as DL flights. NW flights to NW hubs on DL aircraft are handled on PARS as NW flights. (having recently took over NW ops, I have access to DLmatic(the DL res system), and PARS(the NW res system).

I looked up DTW-LHR today in DLmatic at work. I forget the DL flight number, due to legal constraints it must have a DL flight number, and it will show up as a flight in DLmatic; however, looking in detail, it has ZERO seats available and ZERO seats sold. Again, forget flight numbers, but looking in PARS, it shows up as a regular NW flight with a logical amount of seats sold, and the rest available.

DL802/NW5802 HNL-ATL. I traveled on this flight a few weeks ago. I listed with DL. I watched the agents work with the DLmatic res system. I checked loads. DL802 in DLmatic had like 350 seats sold and 53 seats available. NW5802 in PARS had ZERO seats available and ZERO seats sold. I checked in at the DL kiosk, used a priority of S3, was given a DL seat request and eventually cleared for the upper deck and was given a DL boarding pass. Upon checking the list, I was very close to the top with my S3 priority. There were plenty of people below me on a priority of SNWA. I rode in F class, as this DL flight followed DL policies. This was, from a marketing/res standpoint, a DL flight, no question.

I don&#39;t mean to seem too pushy, but if the flight is going from DTW-Europe, that is a NW FLIGHT no matter which airline operates it. Same as you have a DL FLIGHT 5544 operated by ASA. Same deal, this is 2 ASA pilots and an ASA FA on an ASA airplane operating a DL FLIGHT. HNL-ATL or NRT-ATL has a NW crew on a NW 744 operating a DL FLIGHT.

It&#39;s a marketing thing.

And DL crews cannot operate NW aircraft, NW crews cannot operate DL aircraft. But NW crews can operate NW aircraft on flights that are called and sold as DL flights, same as any connection carrier can operate its own aircraft on flights that are called and sold as DL flights.